Saturday, February 9, 2008

Marines Under Attack At Home

After the show of anti-American patriotism in Berkeley, CA, Toledo, OH Mayor Carty Finkbeiner kicked United States Marines out of Toledo. His reasoning; they scare people.

The Marines have been training in Toledo since 2004, but Finkbeiner just would not have it. The police departments knew what was going on, yet Fink kicked the Marines out after they had already arrived. This is why we don't want to hear liberals say they "support the troops". You guys really show it. I guess you're really proud of Fink aren't you Mudrake? This is why I will not support the Democratic party. It is anti-American and anti-patriotic.

San Francisco denying the Marines a spot to film a commercial yet clearing blocks for the gay sex parade, Berkeley trying to kick out the Marines from recruiting there and now Toledo Mayor Fink kicking marines from his city because he claims that they scare people yet they have been training there since 2004. This is sick, it is wrong and we need to get these lunatics out of office. Thank you for reading and God Bless.


Secular American said...

If a city doesn't want Marines in their town then they have that right.

Fonso_2006 said...

A city can vote however they want, but in Toledo there was no vote, the liberal Mayor Fink simple kicked the Marines out. And if a city does want to vote to kick our military out of their towns then they can do so, at the expense of losing federal funding.

Like I said, it just shows the anti-American sentiment in the liberal Democratic party.

mud_rake said...

Anti-American liberals? One more talking point from right-wing talk radio. Fonso- you need to get your own set of talking points because, by using theirs, you lower yourself to their ignorant level of conversation.

Explain to your readers why the actions of mayors who ban Marine exercises in their cities are against the American norm, the American custom.

Fonso_2006 said...

They are anti-American because they are kicking out the brave Americans that are defending this country. They are not supporting the military, they are going against the military and it is sick. It is anti-American and anti-patriotic.

mud_rake said...

Sad reply.

Fonso_2006 said...

Why is that sad? Because people actually realize that what these liberals are doing is demoralizing towards our military? Because we actually see that these liberals are trying to ruin America? That we know that they do not "support the troops"? What is sad is their actions. They are sorry Americans and I'm embarrassed that we have people like that in this great country. I country that is kept safe by the very people that these liberals want to kick out.

Barb said...

Fonso, maybe Carty was trying to court favor with his liberal critics. He used to be GOP--but you can't get elected very easily in Toledo without being a democrat. He's had such awful press from all sides --I have no idea why he did this to the Marines. I confess, i haven't read up on it. It's probably one of those things, however, where a guy does what others are telling him to do --and then he gets all the flack by himself --but that's just a guess.

I think it's terrible that some of our colleges deny the presence of recruiters or ROTC.

engineer of knowledge said...

Hello fonso,
I want to start off by saying that I admire that you are going to college, supporting and raising a family at the same time. I too continue to take classes because the technology world is changing so fast that if you don’t keep up, you will fall behind very quickly. I am working on my second degree.

By the way, I remember a sign on the door of a night club in Norfolk, VA. “No Dogs or Sailors Allowed.” The topic of your post is nothing new and has been around ever since militaries have been stationed within or around any town.

On Mud Rakes site, I am trying to stress to you is to use English 101. Being an active Republican, I hear a lot of “Young Turks” (this has a meaning that I will let you look up) just repeating sound bites and think they are debating. Problem is, once you get them off the script, they can’t even put together a complete sentence to support what they have just said.

Opening statement:
“At the end of WWII General MacArthur held a War Trial Tribunal much like the Nuremburg War Trials. Based on the laws of the Geneva Convention, a Japanese Officer was sentenced to life in prison because he had participated in water boarding U.S. solders that had been captured.”

Supporting Statement:
“It is the Geneva Convention that this country signed says it is a War Crime.”

Continue with another Supporting Statement if required:
“After WWII this country found Water Boarding to be a War Crime.”

Closing or Concluding Statement:
“Why is it not a War Crime now as you contend?”

Do you see what I am trying to convey. Practice these arguing points, think about what you are trying to convey, and you will come off much better passing on what you believe.

One of my favorite quotes is from Voltaire.
“I may detest what you say, but I would gladly give my life for you to continue to say it.” Our founding fathers had much respect for Voltaire and freedom of speech was based on Voltaire’s teachings.

Show me the intelligent lad that you are.
Good Luck

Yankee Doodle said...

Tuesday is Military Day every week in my high school. A representative from military would come to the center quad during lunch and pass out flyers, free stuffs, and recruit members. And not everyone is happy about this.

Avraham said...

On a brighter note a Marine killer met his maker today at the hands of the Israelis.

Anonymous said...

Come on fonso,
It has been a couple of days now and you still have not countered the talking points I presented on water boarding? If you are going to majoring in political science you have to be able to debate properly. Don’t wait for Sean Hannity to tell you what to say. When Sean cannot present any proper counter points to someone else’s arguing points, he just starts to scream what he has already said as if this is debate. Of course this plays well with the “Jerry Springer” crowd but educated people find it mindlessly sad and nothing more than trash TV. Mind you, they are entertainer first and absolute truth and facts are not part of the act. They are playing to the “Jerry Springer” demographics.

I have always found it as a good rule of thumb, when someone starts screaming, that is the Freidan body language that in this person’s mind, he is losing the debate. I love it when my opponent starts to scream what they have already said as if because I readily point this out and finish them off at this time in the debate.

My suggestion is, turn off the blow hard TV programs, read and study the history of the subjects you want to speak about. Follow up on the correctness of what someone counters back with you and sometimes you just loose but you are learning at the same time.

Engineer of Knowledge

Fonso_2006 said...

Engineer likes to make fun of my age because he hates that I'm short and to the point. He is always talking about English 101 because of the fact that I don't saying something in 10,000 words that only takes 10 words to say.

Anonymous said...

Engineer of Knowledge,
No problem on the liberal thing, I promise that anything you may say, (or type) will ever offend me. That is another good practice everyone needs to learn when you get into debating. Keep an even, monotone to your voice when you are presenting your points or counter points. I had a teacher who is also a lawyer and has been in the Republican Party since he got his Political Science degree from Johns Hopkins in Baltimore, MD in the early 1950’s. He followed up and got his law degree by the mid-50’s.

He was the lawyer for the CIA agent that Ollie North reported to. This CIA man never got indicted during the whole Iran / Contra deal. The ONLY one involved who did not get indicted. A fact that my friend takes great pride in. When I have more time, I will tell you that story but just as a teaser, Ollie was lying his butt off in front of the Congressional hearings. Microdot already knows the documentation that I have at home that I obtained from my friend. He is dying of lung cancer and knew that I would appreciate the correspondence he had with the CIA agent.

I know time is limited for us all but you should get into practice of formulating your thoughts and support your opening statements with facts that you base your beliefs on. Of course always be careful of generalized statements and open ended statements. This is the offences that Sean Hannity, Bill O’ Riley and of course the worst of them all RUSH LIMBAUGH. Just remember, they are in the entertainment business first, truth and facts are not their first priority.

So anyway, take time over the weekend and follow up with your “They are not POW's so the Geneva Convention does not apply to them” opening statement. Follow up with your supporting statements and I will check on you by Monday. By the way, I am glad that you have a 3.7 GPA, now show me what you can do. It will be one of the best lessons you will ever receive.

Yankee Doodle said...

Hey, I haven't seen you on Yahoo! Answers for a long time. Did they suspend your account?

Barb said...

Fonso, I'd be just a little suspicious of Engineer of Knowledge and Anonymous who think they can tell you how to "debate." One or both posts at Mudrake's and may be him --and they'd love to influence you. they love to take down any conservative --if they can. He calls himself a republican here, but I haven't seen much evidence. Or maybe he meant YOU were the republican --in which case HIS grammar was wrong!

their motives are very suspicious.
And they do take too long to make THEIR points --as Mudrake has said of me.

If you are too good at it and they can't think of any rebuttal, they will censor you.

Anonymous said...

My name Goran H. from Finland. My English no so good but I try.
I see you have this Barbie person on your site. You need to be make her go away and warn everyone. She come on site in Europe and try to spread lie on christian people. I show my preacher and he say she worship anti-jesus. Barbie no christian. She try for making everyone to devil.

mud_rake said...

Poor barb, she thinks EVERYONE is I but that's what her OCD does to her.

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Barb said...

Well Goran, from Finland, why is your name "anonymous?" You don't put your name in if you really don't want a name, now, do you?

Microdot, I see your handiwork! You made Rob laugh really heartily! Me, too, actually. LLOOLLL!

You guys are evil. Mudly and Macromeanie, that is.

Barb said...

Actually, I don't really think Eng. of knowledge could be Mudrake --he's not clever enough to sustain a pseudonym --and after he posts several columns a day, he has no band-width for sustaining debate in comments also. He just throws out his topics --and then insults --but does not debate substantively with-- all those who disagree --as you know so well.

Barb said...

I see where Mudrake said he had more wisdom than you. Of all the arrogant, puffed up so and so's!

They're critical of me, but I don't go around saying I'm wiser than my opponents --though, come to think of it....

The fool has said in his heart, "there is no God."

Barb said...

Sorry --I didn't realize I had posted twice (in separate places on 2 different days) about Mudrake's claim to having more wisdom than Fonso.

I'm off that topic now. No more mud --cleansed!

Anonymous said...

If a US Marine wants to go to Toledo i think THEY have the right. You forget how many have been killed to protect you.